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Q: And that got frustrating quick.

M: That's what's happening to me right now.

Q: Well, that's kind of my general attitude toward Monkey Ball. It just got too hard for me.

M: The insanity of the levels.

Q: But sometimes you just luck into something.

[Monkey falls]

M: God!

Q: You might just accidentally roll through and win.

M: But towards the harder levels there is just no way an accident can happen.

Q: Well, they've…

M: Oh, wait! Juuuuump.

[Monkey falls]

Q: They've put way too much thought into structuring it so you can't possibly luck into winning.

M: What does that say about art?

Q: (laughs) That the further you go the harder it is to accidentally be good?

M: Yeah, to be a professional artist you have to be really good.  Like...[Monkey falls]…fuck...or that happens to you.  You get dropped out of the universe like a monkey in a ball.

Q: You fall out.  You figure it out or you fall out.

M: But anyway, should we talk about art or something?

Q: Yeah, I think...

M: Is that the point of the class?

Q:  Well, it's kind of up in the air.  Some people talk specifically about art in their interview, some people don't talk about art at all.  But I think you have to argue that everything in some way relates to art practice or an idea of... [Monkey falls] ...wow...an idea of art.  I think we can talk more specifically, I mean we can also talk about Monkey Ball, but I think we can talk more specifically about art.

M: Oooo, oh, oh, oh, oh!

[Monkey falls]

Q: Ahhhh. That was close.

M: That was so close.  Anyway, I think last time...we actually rehearsed it.

Q: Yeah, we had a pre-interview/rehearsal that I thought went quite well.

M: Yeah.

Q: We had a nice conversation...

[Monkey reaches goal]

M: Oh-ho-ho! Yesss!

Q: See? Goooooooal!  Dance monkey, dance.

M: Amazing.

Q: And the monkey dances

M: It's all in the thumbs really.

Q: It's a thumb-centric game.  Yeah, we had a very nice discussion before.  We talked a bit about performance and character in the work and about the role of research we both saw in what we were doing.  As I said, that went really well and I don't know that we've recaptured the magic of that first conversation.

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